Alternate Alhambra

Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 72

Alhambra was incomplete in its released form. They eventually released the rest of those sessions with the Triptych Special edition. Simply add Save Me, The River And Sister Awake and you have a solid album to listen to. suggested listening:

The Grand Bazaar
Inanna
Silence
Turn the Lamp Down Low
Save Me (live version from Triptych special edition)
The River (live version from Triptych special edition)
Sister Awake (live version from Triptych special edition)
Time

or a longer version still:

The Grand Bazaar
Inanna
Silence
Turn the Lamp Down Low
Correspondences (live trippy bootleg version)
Save Me
The River
Hela Lisa (live bootleg)
Sister Awake
Time

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:28 am

where did you get your info on this ?
-curious

Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 72

Well, the release single has Save Me (alhambra mix). obviously that was recorded prior to transmission. Sister Awake (live from the Triptych Special Edition bares a striking resemblence to the versions from bootlegs of the Alhambra Tour. As for the River version, I had the chance to interview Stuart back in '95. I asked him about other unreleased material and he mentioned a version of the river that was recorded with a sitar.
In Conclusion, i say all those songs are from the same sessions. Or near enough.

Any counter arguments are welcome.

j

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:45 am

the initial intention was not to argue by any stretch, nor to question your credibility either...

hehehe...

interesting ... tell us about the interview in 95?

Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 72

sorry. I've been touchy lately. I just had knee surgery and have been cooped up home for a week. ugh.

anyhoo, summer '95. St. Andrew's Detroit. My first concert. I was 15. My dad went with me. And somehow he asked mngment to see if i could interview the band for a highschool newspaper. So, a lil while later Stuart comes out and takes me on the tour bus for the interview. the tour bus!! So, I'm completely unprepared for this. I wasn't expecting it at all. So, my questions and note taking were very lame. And my dad was an embarressment. as usual. Neverthless, Stu was very pleasant and tolerant of me.
The concert itself left me in a daze for 3 days. I still cherish my Edges tour shirt I got there. Was that really 13 years ago? sheesh. I'm getting old.

anyhoo, back on topic....
Yes, the extended Alhambra experience is a must for me. its the only way I can listen to that material, otherwise I feel like I'm cheating myself. I wish they'd release it properly with the multimedia stuff on dvd. While I'm wishing, I'd like a pony.

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:35 pm

hehe a pony to go with your complete alhambra cd?

hehe

i had never heard of such a thing actually... the alhambra release was awesome and i absolutely loved it... totally my style of music !
of course i wished it was longer but, it did come out before transmission didn't it?

just a shorty....

too short....

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:07 pm

uroboros80 wrote:

sorry. I've been touchy lately. I just had knee surgery and have been cooped up home for a week. ugh.

anyhoo, summer '95. St. Andrew's Detroit. My first concert. I was 15. My dad went with me. And somehow he asked mngment to see if i could interview the band for a highschool newspaper. So, a lil while later Stuart comes out and takes me on the tour bus for the interview. the tour bus!! So, I'm completely unprepared for this. I wasn't expecting it at all. So, my questions and note taking were very lame. And my dad was an embarressment. as usual. Neverthless, Stu was very pleasant and tolerant of me.
The concert itself left me in a daze for 3 days. I still cherish my Edges tour shirt I got there. Was that really 13 years ago? sheesh. I'm getting old.

anyhoo, back on topic....
Yes, the extended Alhambra experience is a must for me. its the only way I can listen to that material, otherwise I feel like I'm cheating myself. I wish they'd release it properly with the multimedia stuff on dvd. While I'm wishing, I'd like a pony.

Meh, for me, I'd go for a Racoon that goes on adventures with me like a side kick, but that's a story for another time.

I have the regular Alhambra CD.... the one where the multimedia only plays on Macs since PC's did something like making it read backwards and therefore not able to pick up the media..... I have the media copied onto another CD I burned on a mac so I could watch it back home.... not too bad. My memoy tells me the video quality wasn't the smothest, but oh well.... I have Illuminations and the easter eggs, so it's close enough for me.

However I never heard of that version either. Not suprising since I'm still finding some old live performances kicking around the net from way back.

But sounds interesting... let me check something:

Quote:

Alhambra (1996) is an EP by The Tea Party and was used as a bridge between The Edges of Twilight and Transmission. It features four intricately re-worked acoustic songs from The Edges of Twilight and two others; the first a song entitled "Time" with Roy Harper on vocals, the second a remix of Sister Awake by Rhys Fulber.

Alhambra is an Enhanced CD and includes multimedia that the band used as a way to explain themselves, inviting fans to explore the details of exotic instruments, song meanings and video & audio clips.

The first song on the EP is "The Grand Bazaar", which was recorded during The Edges of Twilight sessions in December 1994 at A&M Studios (Los Angeles). The acoustic songs and "Time" were recorded in August 1995 at Studio Morin Heights (Morin Heights), with more acoustic versions of songs from these sessions appearing as B-sides ("The River", "Save Me" and "Sister Awake") on later singles and the European Triptych Special Tour Edition 2000 album.

EMI Music Canada re-issued Alhambra on 5 March 2002 with the multimedia CD-ROM component updated to work correctly on the Windows XP Operating System. The EP was also long out of stock in Canada.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra_(album)[/url]

Hmmm.... didn't know that.

My LastFM · Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 30 Location: Russia

Quote:

EMI re-issued Alhambra on 5 March 2002 with the multimedia CD-ROM component updated to work correctly on the Windows XP

It's about videos? Or multimedia part contained something else?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:13 am

Firmar wrote:

Quote:

EMI re-issued Alhambra on 5 March 2002 with the multimedia CD-ROM component updated to work correctly on the Windows XP

It's about videos? Or multimedia part contained something else?

Technically neither... when Alhambra was first burned and distributed, at the time the CD ROM's read discs a paticular way (From the outside-in, now to the inside-out.... or the other way around, I can't remember)

Anyways, when Windows went from 3.11 to Windows 95, around that time CD ROM's switched to the method of reading we use today...... in this process and due to how the original discs were burned, the multimedia contect got skipped on Windows computers, because the multimedia content is read at a paticular spot when the disc is first inserted.

Since they were burned differently and placed in a different location on the disc, Windows never knew it existed.

However, Mac computers could read them just fine.

I don't know if any of this makes any sense, but around the time I bought the CD, I dug around to figure out why I couldn't get the content and this was the explination I got.

So if you have an older copy and you have a mac nearby that you could pop the disc into, you'll get the extra content.

From the above explination, they fixed this problem in the last batch released. I got to mine by using a mac..... the first good thing they ever did for me that a PC couldn't Twisted Evil

My LastFM · Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 30 Location: Russia

And that rips in "Illuminations X" it's full-quality?
And what about sound? I don't hear anything. =(

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:01 am

Firmar wrote:

And that rips in "Illuminations X" it's full-quality?
And what about sound? I don't hear anything. =(

Yeah that's the full quality of the videos on Alhambra..... I think if you play them in Quicktime they should run smooth.

I'll have to double check later when I can.

Joined: 12 Nov 2008 Posts: 16 Location: Halifax, NS

I've heard some of the other alternate versions from this album but what is the "Save Me" like?

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:44 am

It's been a while since I listened to them through, so I'll have to let you know next chance I get.

Ahh.... yeah that's the one album I don't have on my playlist here. It doesn't rip too well on windows and I left it home.

The sound went all screwy last time I tried..... once again, something to do with how it was originally burned.

But I did enjoy each song on the album..... they had their own style done to them from their original versions..... certainly a lot more different then the "Remixes" off of the Tangents CD.

Honestly, the only difference I noticed on the Tangent Remixes was some sounds didn't just go left to right, but circular in stereo..... but that was it.... everything else seemed identical to me.

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:42 am

i thought you just needed to run it with the quick time player...

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:50 am

Tentei wrote:

i thought you just needed to run it with the quick time player...

The videos in the torrent I got off the album, yes.

The audio however only plays decently on Windows when it's played directly on the CD. When you try to rip, for some reason the MP3's go all screwy..... (sound goes poppy and skippy if I remember correctly) the copy I have would need to be ripped on a Mac to sound good, due to the reversed burn process used on it.

From my understanding/observations anyways.